Last week it was Atletico Madrid and Lisandro Martinez; this week Como and Bruno Fernandes.

Another defeat in Europe, another voice in the dressing room feeling compelled to cry out.

Such insubordination would once have meant instant dismissal even for the stellar likes of Roy Keane and David Beckham.

But today, a geological age of anguish later, almost all fans and probably most players feel the complainant is stating the obvious.